LeeAnn Webster: No Regrets, No Limits

How do you find your purpose? It’s such a deep question that really has no right or wrong. But because it shows up in so many ways in my life, it’s a topic I can’t help but revist often. 

This month marked the beginning of my 18th season as a broadcaster for the Kansas City Royals, reminding me how fortunate I am to live my own purpose daily. I’ve said before what a privilege it is to share stories from the baseball diamond with fans around the world. Finding that passion for what you do doesn’t just make work more fun, it leads to higher quality, more successful outputs. 

No surprise, this also means that having a strong sense of purpose is critical to the success of organizations. It’s one reason why identifying what drives individuals is such a regular piece of my corporate keynote speeches. I don’t have a magic formula to find it, but I do know that it begins with paying attention to the things and people that feed your energy in a positive way. 

With so much focus on maximizing purpose, what about those who are still searching for theirs? Or people who once found but then lost it? 

In a recent episode of my podcast Rounding the Bases, I was joined by a guest who found her purpose helping others, especially women, let go of the things holding them back from discovering their own. 

Her name is LeeAnn Webster, a recovering attorney turned coach and international keynote speaker who has made it her mission to ensure your future is bigger than the past. 

As the creator of the No Regrets Formula, she guides accomplished leaders towards the BIG goals that really matter. Empowering them to kick passive existence to the curb so purposeful living can prevail. 

SINGLE: lessons without bounds

LeeAnn grew up under challenging circumstances. Between her parents divorce when she was three to losing her brother (and protector) in a car accident when she was just four, she learned at an early age how to fend for herself. 

“I became extraordinarily resilient and very crafty,” she said, joking, “You can drop me somewhere with like, you know, a piece of gum and a nail file and I’ll find my way out.” 

Though painful, these experiences sparked a purpose in LeeAnn that she has carried with her throughout her life. They motivated her lean into adventure and live to the fullest, becoming an embodiment of her no regrets philosophy.  

“Some people would look at that as something that drags them down,” LeeAnn shared. But part of the work she does is acknowledging that though it all, she learned lessons that know no bounds. “I can take that anywhere. And that’s very empowering for anything that I attempt in life.” 

DOUBLE: breaking free, dreaming big

The purpose of LeeAnn’s work is empowering people break free from things that hold them back so they can achieve the big goals that really matter. In her work, the power to do this has presented itself in honoring our regrets. 

“I have found that people are often carrying around a regret and they don’t even realize it,” she said. “People don’t realize this is present for them, and there’s energy to unlock with it.” 

Using a simple card, LeeAnn invites strangers, passersby and audience members to share one emotional burden they have been carrying. Though the project is entirely anonymous, she has countless stories of people who have reached out to share the life changing results this simple exercise had on them, that allowed them to move forward more purposefully in their personal and professional lives. 

“If people can just go through that simple act of writing it down and giving it to somebody else, literally giving it up, then I find that it frees something in them,” she shared. “And it starts them, and usually a relationship that they have, on a different trajectory.” 

TRIPLE: a future, redefined

Any time something has been defined in a certain way, it can be difficult to make a change around it. Those challenges are heightened when someone wants to redefine themselves as individuals and create a future that differs from their past. 

“Especially for women, we get really tied up in our identity,” LeeAnn shared. “I’ve always put a premium on what is something that is going to make my heart sing, and what’s something where I feel like I’m making an impact.” 

This very perspective is what allowed LeeAnn to pivot away from a career in law towards entrepreneurship and now coaching. Yes being a lawyer is a lucrative, respected profession. Despite everything she had invested, she knew she needed to be passionate about her impact, and practicing law was not it. 

“The through thread is following my heart and not being tied down by an identity or by what I should be doing,” she said. “The through thread is to inspire other people and help them learn lessons and help them to empower themselves with creating what they want to create.” 

HOME RUN: Life without regrets

Though LeeAnn’s childhood was marred by difficulty, she never allowed it dampen her positive spirit. Instead, she flipped the script and found the positive, which is just one part of the magic she imparts on clients. 

“What I learned in my life is you don’t want to subvert something, actually something that appears to be negative,” she shared, instead raising the question. “How do you take the past and help it fuel your future?”

There are many things I admire about LeeAnn, but above all, it’s the way she refuses to let anything limit her potential. No matter how big or small the goal may be, she says yes with intention, refusing to let fear, past limitations or societal expectation define her.

“I really believe little, seemingly innocuous things, like releasing a regret, can have a huge impact,” LeeAnn shared. “There are little things that you don’t realize that might be kind of taking your energy . . . being that kind of anchor that holds you down.”

And by saying yes, she has demonstrated that it’s never too late to pivot towards a life that truly aligns with your heart or its purpose. 

Listen to the full interview here or tune in to Rounding the Bases every Tuesday, available wherever you get your podcasts.

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FULL TRANSCRIPT

Joel Goldberg 0:15

Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Rounding the Bases presented by Community America Credit Union: Invested in You. This episode is coming out in March, so we're just rolling along. That means I'm getting closer to Opening Day. And baseball, that's certainly exciting. And the new book came out last month, Small Ball Big Dreams. So a lot of fun stuff going on, and I've got some other things going on, some programs and some things I'm working on in the future. And actually, I think my guest is a little, little bit related to that, in the sense that she's doing some really big things, and I think a lot of unique, unique things that will inspire so many of you that are listening today. Before I get to her, let's do a quick shout out to my friends at Chief of Staff Kansas City. You can be in Kansas City. You could be where my guest is, in Chicago. Anywhere around the country. Whatever it is if you are looking for a job, if you're looking to hire someone, if you're looking for a good resource, I highly recommend that you check them out. I partner with them on so many things because of their belief in people and culture. Chiefofstaffkc.com. Making Connections That Matter. I made a great connection this baseball off season for me back in I think it was January, and I love these connections because they lead to, to really good guests and great people. And so today on Rounding the Bases, I'm joined by a guest who lives life full out. Her name is LeeAnn Webster, a recovering attorney turned coach and international keynote speaker, who has made it her mission to ensure your future is bigger than the past. As creator of the No Regrets formula, she guides accomplished leaders towards the big goals that really matter, personally and professionally. Empowering them to kick passive existence to the curb so purposeful living can prevail. That's all you need to know about LeeAnn. But not really. There's so much more. LeeAnn, how are you?

LeeAnn Webster 2:05

I'm doing awesome, thanks. How are you?

Joel Goldberg 2:07

I'm great. And you know, when I met you through Michelle Villalobos, who will be a future guest, by the way, on this podcast, she is on our list. She knows that, and she's a master at building amazing things and a Master of being around great people like yourself. And, and I knew right when I met you at a virtual conference, seminar, retreat...that I had to have you on. Because your energy is just incredible. And look, you can, you can be all bluster and, you know, be loud. And by the way, being, having great energy doesn't have to be being loud either, but you just, you have a you have an incredible energy to you, and it shows in your work and your interest in in people. Your genuine interest. So that just, just my observation, to everybody listening. But have you always been that way? Have you always been a high energy giver?

LeeAnn Webster 2:58

Um, you know, I feel like I've always been a very happy person. So I've always been like, you know, okay, let's just roll with it. Let's see what's going on. And that probably took effect a little more into college. You know, I think when I was younger, as we often are, when we were young and awkward and middle school and high school and all that, I was finding my way. And so I kind of stepped into my own in college.

Joel Goldberg 3:21

Well, you have, my goodness, there's so many things we could talk about. And I will tell you that my executive producer and assistant Ashleigh, who you met on that retreat, she was like, I had so much fun researching LeeAnn, because there's so much good stuff. And you just have, like, you know, as a podcast host, you always hope that somebody has, like, a fun little story or two that you can throw into the mix. Because I think for me as a storyteller, it shows personality. It goes beyond, you know, the bio, and you got so many of them. So let's just start with this recovering attorney. That was, at what point was that the dream? And then at what point did that not become the dream?

LeeAnn Webster 3:59

Well, you know, it's really interesting. The, so it was not always the dream. You know, some people are like, Oh, ever since I was young, I wanted to be an attorney. Like, I never have had that. But what I have had is very specific moments in time where somebody has stepped in and kind of seen me in a different way, and they've said something seemingly innocuous, and it's shifted my path. And that happened in law school or in college. I was in a media law class. I'm a journalism major, and at Ohio University, Go Bobcats, and my professor, we would talk up, and he said, One day you're going to go to law school. And I was like, I'm going to law school. Why do you think that? And he's like, you're smart enough, you know, he just encouraged me. And so I was like, oh my God, I guess I could do that. So off I went to law school. And part of what was attractive to me was I felt like I've always been very good at advocating for people or figuring things out, and so when I figure something out, then I try to teach other people how to figure it out. And I felt like law kind of would give me that way to do it. Well, then I went to law school, and I started practicing law, and I was like, Oh, snap, this is not fun. Like, I don't like this. And that led to a whole curve. I decided to try to do entertainment law, so I moved from Ohio to LA, and then I realized I just didn't want to practice law at all. And I ended up going into sales and a whole other path. So.

Joel Goldberg 5:23

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's so interesting, because even even at that point, clearly you said, Okay, I'm not interested in this, but, well, I'll try something else related to it. It's almost like you feel an obligation, don't you? I mean, forget about the investment in law school or whatever that was but it just feels like you start to go down a path. And at least in in my mind, I think like it must feel at the time like, oh, wait, if I leave this now I'm a failure, versus saying, wait a minute, let's go do something else that maybe it's not a failure to find out that that's not something you like.

LeeAnn Webster 5:54

100%. Well, and I think that we this happens to all of us, especially for women. We get really tied up in our identity. I'm a lawyer. I spent three years and a lot of money and a lot of energy becoming a lawyer, and it's a respected profession, and I'm the first lawyer in my family. And so how could I walk away from that? And yet, for me, I was like, you know, well, but I don't like it. I mean, I've always put a premium on what is something that's going to make my heart sing, and what's something where I feel like I'm making an impact, and I didn't feel like in the role of being a lawyer, is that I was doing that, so I thought, well, I can take this experience and pivot a little bit and do something else that will help my heart to sing and help me make a little bit more of an impact that I want to make.

Joel Goldberg 6:41

But you didn't find that right away, did you? Or did you?

LeeAnn Webster 6:44

Oh, Joel, it's been such a journey. I did, let's see. I did court reporting sales for a while. Um, so selling. Be a vendor to legal industry, which was a good marriage of that. And then I became a trainer, because I became the best salesperson in the company. So I started training other sales people. You'll notice a pattern here. Then I became a professional coach, and I did legal professional development for legal professionals, including attorney. So again, marriage, of the things that I like. Then I started a speed dating business. We can talk about that. Then I did marketing for legal for law firms. So combining the legal background and the marketing and business development experience that I had, and then 13 or so years ago, I left and started my current business. So it's been a little, like.

Joel Goldberg 7:39

Okay, we'll get to some of this, not all of it. But I feel like if I don't, if I don't, at least run through this, it won't echo what sort of what you just talked about this. You don't know this yet, but, I mean, none of them are gonna be surprised to you. You want to, you want to see the list I have from Ashleigh?

LeeAnn Webster 7:56

Oh yes, I would love that. Oh my gosh.

Joel Goldberg 7:59

And then I'll just, I'll decide later which ones we want to follow up on. Okay, I'm not outing anything. I've got, I've got an amazing, amazing person on my team that runs my team, that that that does all this heavy lifting for me. But I'm gonna out this list right now.

LeeAnn Webster 8:14

I was curious what she was gonna find. Like, I listened to your other interviews, and I was like, what are they gonna know about me?

Joel Goldberg 8:20

Okay, good. You've done your homework. And we, Ashleigh, did ours. This is just under the fun facts section. Used to have two pet skunks. In2024 launched a one woman play. I gotta ask you about that. Went to a modeling school as a teenager. Marathon runner. Completed Iron Man's. Submitted mount, or, submitted some, summited. Oh, that just ended up with a B in there. I was, like, it was it a paper? How did you submit that? Anyway, you summited Mount Kilimanjaro. What else do we have here? Founded and ran the largest speed dating we just talked about that. In Peru sand boarded down the largest. Dune was on MTV Remote Control in college. I loved that show, by the way. We're just scratching the surface, I suppose.

LeeAnn Webster 9:09

Yeah.

Joel Goldberg 9:12

But that's you right? But like that, the reason why I wanted to do that one throw all those things out there, because I don't get to do that usually. You know, you're lucky again with a guest if you have one or two of those things. Most of us haven't done all those type of things. But I mean, what does that say about you? Is it free spirit? Is it always looking for an adventure? Is it? What is it?

LeeAnn Webster 9:30

It's so part of it is a is the free spirit and adventure piece. And part of it, quite frankly, is, is really my life, or why I do what I do around the No Regrets idea, right? I'm an embodiment of my no regrets philosophy. And the reason I do that is when I was four, and I'm living in southern Ohio, my brother, who was 12 at the time, was killed in a car accident. My brother Daniel. And so I feel like, you know nobody knew that day that it was going to be his last day in this realm. And I feel like he didn't get a chance to live his life. And so I feel like, if we're here and we have the opportunity, then we have an we have an opportunity, perhaps even an obligation, to do everything we can, to live our lives to the fullest. And so I feel like I've been, you know, pregnant women say they're eating for two. I feel a lot like I'm living for two. Like I get to do the things Daniel didn't get to do. So then I say, Yeah, take me, you know, let's go. Should we do this trip? Hell yeah, let's go do that.

Joel Goldberg 10:31

I mean, it's such a healthy way to live life. I want to let everybody know that that I was talking to LeeAnn beforehand about a trip I've got coming up to Costa Rica, and she gave me a bungee jumping suggestion. And I'm like, Yeah, I don't do those kind of things, but clearly she does. I am all for the message that you just said, without scaring the living heck out of myself. You've got a stomach for it, obviously, but what a beautiful way to to live your life every day since your brother's passing, and that, that's, you know, a lifetime ago, right? I mean, those of us at our age right now, we're in the same age range

LeeAnn Webster 11:08

Yeah

Joel Goldberg 11:09

We remember those young years, but it's a different life. And so to be able to carry him with you, I've got to imagine is, you know, I mean, a lot of people are looking for a purpose and motivation and all that, and it never stops. And hopefully you find it, and you keep going down that journey. But to have him with you that whole way has to be truly something unique that you've carried with you your whole life.

LeeAnn Webster 11:30

It really is, and it's interesting. You know, my show, part of my show, is based around that, because my show is based around, how do you take these things that are bad things or or experience that you've had that we somewhat label as negative, and how do you actually pull the uniqueness from that so that you can use it as developing your own unique self and your own unique point of view? And so I feel like he's been with me the whole time, and he's part of my gut instinct, and he and he shows up for me. Like, he has this really funny way of showing up, which, actually, I think that the day that this is going to be released is the anniversary of the day that he passed.

Joel Goldberg 12:08

Wow.

LeeAnn Webster 12:09

And so it's like, so he does, you know, he just pops in like that. And it's really, I find it really cool and inspiring, because it means that there's, you know, I'm not alone, even if I'm alone.

Joel Goldberg 12:20

So March 4 was that, was that?

LeeAnn Webster 12:23

1973 Yeah, it was actually March 3, 1973.

Joel Goldberg 12:25

March 3. So, so the day after a minute, this will be the day after so as this is listening, and I don't know, I mean, that's, that's pretty cool, too, that we're sitting here talking about him. Now, what? 52 years later?

LeeAnn Webster 12:38

52 years later, yeah.

Joel Goldberg 12:39

52 years later, yeah. And, you know, I mean, in, in looking through your background too. I mean, he was, from what I understand that. I mean, he was, he was your go to, right? I mean, you guys grew up in a tough situation with a with a father who was an alcoholic, a mom who was was bipolar. I'm just curious how all of that shaped you, because, you know, look, we hear about this. Sometimes kids need to grow up fast. And I've got to imagine that that was, in some way, your, you know, what you were dealing with, right? And especially in losing your brother in the midst of all that.

LeeAnn Webster 13:14

Yeah. Well, I'm man. My parents divorced when I was three, so that, you know, add that, not in there. And what I learned from that and and let's be real, I didn't piece all this together until, like, a few years ago, right? Not like I knew right away, but I'm with I realized early on that I had to look after myself, you know, and especially once he passed, everyone kind of went inward to deal with their own selves, which makes sense. I mean, it's the 70s, you know. We were a poor family, that nobody had counseling, nobody talked about their feelings, like, you know, just wasn't what we did at the time. And so my four year old self was like, oh, okay, I'm, I'm gonna have to fend for myself here. And so I became extraordinarily resilient and very crafty. I've got MacGyver skills, like, you can drop me somewhere with, like, you know, a piece of gum, and like, a nailfile, and I'll find my way out. Like,

Joel Goldberg 14:04

Because you had to.

LeeAnn Webster 14:05

Yeah, because I had to. And so some people would look at that as something that drags them down. But again, part of the work that I do is to say, like, no, that's really cool that I figured that out early, and I can take that anywhere. And that's very empowering for anything that I attempt in life.

Joel Goldberg 14:05

Yeah. So, tell me how you got to here. Because now, like, and I would encourage everybody to go to LeeAnn's website. leeannmariewebster.com, we'll have it in the in the show notes, but you've got a lot going on. Everybody always says to me, you've got so much going on that not more than a lot of the other people that have a lot going on, and you are one of them. How did you get to this phase of of your your life and your business, which I I think, and you tell me where I'm right or wrong here, the the the. What's the right word? I'm looking for? Adventure seeker, the need for finding something new, I think, will always be there for you, if I'm understanding that. But yet, at the same time, it feels like you found where you need to be.

LeeAnn Webster 15:10

100% and and part of what my journey has been about is because a lot of these things are seemingly random, right? Like a lawyer, a speed dating thing, and you know, a coach. What is she doing? My brother, who's a mechanical engineer, does not understand.

Joel Goldberg 15:26

But nor should he.

LeeAnn Webster 15:29

Nor should he, nor should he. And when I kind of took a step back and looked at it, it was like, oh, wait a second. This through thread is being open to experience. The through thread is following my heart and not being tied down by an identity or by what I should be doing. The through thread is helping to inspire other people and help them to learn lessons and help them to empower themselves with creating what they want to create. So that's that's how I got kind of to today. And you know, my thought is, especially once we cross that 50s line, um, we have that sensation that the runway ahead is shorter than the runway behind. And that's what has a lot of people then taking stock and saying, Well, what have I been doing? Has this been for me? Is this what I want? How do I do this? I've always wanted to x, and so I'm all about empowering you to make the that the rest of your runway however you want it to be, instead of relying on what what it has been.

Joel Goldberg 16:29

There's a lot in there too for I mean, first off, I would say that there's message in there for anybody of any age. But you know, I think when you're in your 20s, 30s, you you don't know what you don't know. And in many ways, that's a great thing too, right? And then you start to know what you know. And it's very liberating when we get into our 50s. Yet, are we willing to try new things? Are we willing to get out of what is safe? Because it's always been safe to us, and so you know, like I met you on Michelle Villabolos' retreat, and that was not a safe thing for me to do. I mean, it was, you know what? I mean, like, it was, it was doing something different. I wasn't uncomfortable. It just was out of my

LeeAnn Webster 17:13

Right.

Joel Goldberg 17:13

That makes sense? I wasn't uncomfortable, but yet, it was out of my comfort zone. But I never felt uncomfortable, but I would have been easier just not to do it. And so I think that, you know, it's easier to play it safe in our 50s, 60s. And you know, in a lot of ways we should, we've earned the right to do that, to have that security, yet you have unlocked something that I think is really powerful for someone in our age range. And also we should focus too. I mean, this is Women's History Month and and how many women, I can't tell you, how many women that I'm friends with, that for one reason or another, lost the passion. Maybe some of them stayed home to take care of kids. A lot didn't. But then suddenly, once that's over and they want something and they want to get back, they're so far removed from it, they don't know where to turn. So there's a really strong message here, I think, for women, for everyone, but certainly for women too. And I'm curious what you say to all those people, whether whether it's a woman that's 40 that wants to get back into the work world, or has had the same job and hates it, or whatever, or someone in their 50s that figures they're probably done, and suddenly could use that spark. It's really empowering, I think.

LeeAnn Webster 17:13

Yeah, thank you. It's, you know, that's the crux of what I do, right, especially with women, because we do take on a lot of roles. We're, you know, a mother, a spouse, a insert the career line if that's been your path, and we tend to, and all of us tend to do this. I think women, though, tend to especially say, Well, I'm an X, so I can't Y. And I've always been that. And then what I always say is, step back and decide, like, okay, great, you've been an X. Do you really want to be an X? Do you want to keep being an X? Or has that been this is the path, and now you want to try something different? But it's tuning into what is it really in you and in your heart, not what others expect of you or what others want you to do. And that can be hard, you know, because everyone around you is invested in having you be how you've been. And it can be hard if you want to make a bigger shift around that.

Joel Goldberg 19:20

So you found it. And I think I'll just speak for everybody to say I don't know if we ever fully find it, because you're constantly looking, you're constantly tweaking, right? It's, it's like the greatest of athletes or performers, they know that there's never perfection, but you strive for it. But I think that you're, you're caught, you, you have a feeling of an idea of what that looks like. Now, because you found something you love, you found something where you can continue to challenge yourself and others. And it's not just a defined, you know, I don't think, I don't think we, we want to be putting LeeAnn in a box, because that's not the way that you're wired. And so you have this chance to explore. And I just, I think that what part of that exploration and what you did, collecting data, stories, however we want to say it, from other people, had to have really done something for you, because you don't know what you're getting every single time. So explain to me what that project was, how it came about, what it what it means. Because I think to me, when I found out you did this, it was one of the most interesting things that that I had ever heard in terms of a project. And in part just because of what it, I don't know, like what it, what it does in connecting with humanity. That's just my take but, but tell everybody about that.

LeeAnn Webster 20:39

Thank you. Well, it's still going, so I'm so if you see me speak in person, I'll have you do these cards there. I call them regret release cards. And so they're postcards, and I walk you through an exercise about how to release

Joel Goldberg 20:53

Hold that up again for me LeeAnn, so I can read it. A lot of people will listen. They won't see it on YouTube, but it says 'You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.' Looks like a quote, quote from May West.

LeeAnn Webster 21:04

Yeah.

Joel Goldberg 21:05

And then on the back is a, essentially a postcard to fill out, yes.

LeeAnn Webster 21:08

And so this is where, this is how I collect, one way that I collect, regrets. I've collected over 1,000 now. The other way I collect them is I will go sometimes, if you're in Chicago, you'll see me around, and I'll put out a little table that says, What do you regret? And then there's an option for people to write it and then just put , anonymously, it's all anonymous, into the bowl. And I do this for a couple reasons. One is, I have found that people are often carrying around a regret and they don't even realize it. But it's, and regrets aren't bad. I mean, they actually are indicative of what we value. You wouldn't regret something if you didn't value whatever that was about. But what happens is, in way they get harmful is when they when we feel shame, when we feel guilt, when we don't take a chance. Because the last time we spoke up in a meeting, we got shot down, and so we never speak up in the meeting again. Or, you know, you feel a sense of guilt. So I wanted to, I started collecting these because I wanted to give people an easy way to tap into that, but also to release it, like, in a very sensory way. And what I've got, what I get is crazy. Like, I pulled three today, if you want, I can share with you.

Joel Goldberg 21:31

The question was coming. You maybe had an idea.

LeeAnn Webster 22:28

I was ready. I was ready. Um, so I also just love sharing them. So the first one says, I regret not not realizing my parents were just figuring it out sooner. Which is, you know, sweet, right? Like, and we, our parents were, I'm pulling it up all doing the best we can. Um, not answering, not answering, a phone call from my friend at 9:53am. They hit a tree at 9:58am and she died, along with her 10 year old and her husband.

Joel Goldberg 22:57

These are just strangers sharing it.

LeeAnn Webster 22:59

Strangers. Um, not going to Hawaii when I had the chance at age 20. I've yet to go, and I'm almost 50.

Joel Goldberg 23:07

Wow.

LeeAnn Webster 23:07

Yeah.

Joel Goldberg 23:09

Let me ask you a few questions on this. Let me go back. What was the goal with this? What? What? What, how, how'd the idea spark in your head? And then what were, what were the hopes and goals?

LeeAnn Webster 23:25

Yeah, so it was originally inspired by something called Post Secret, which is, there's a couple books, and that's where people submit their own postcards to an address, and they release a secret. They tell somebody a secret. And I thought that was a cool idea. And I was, you know, you're a speaker, I'm a speaker. I was like, what's some interesting, tactile way that I can bring home this idea of regret instead of just talking about it? And so I thought, well, let's try this. I'll print up these postcards and I'll write it. I'll get to receive them. So part of it was just, you know, let's, let's have a way for people to do it. But what it has become is a real-live tap on what my audiences really do regret. So I'm starting to see patterns. Now it's my own research, and then I'm also seeing that people don't realize that this is present for them, and there's energy to unlock with it. And so if people can just go through that simple act of writing it down and giving it to somebody else, literally giving it up, then I find that it frees something in them, and it starts them, and usually a relationship that they have on a different trajectory.

Joel Goldberg 24:32

It's, it's, I think to me, it's so fascinating, because you could do this for the rest of your life, and I don't think you'd get bored with it. I don't know that you will. But, you know, I'm saying like you never run out. And there are a couple things I want to talk about here. One is more just sort of like nerdy content guy, business side of me. But I'm just curious what reading through these does for you? Because it'd be easy for me to say, Oh, it must uplift you, but there's a lot of heavy stuff in there that probably hits you really hard too, or spark some things in you, like, what? What are the emotions like? And what, if any, toll do they take on you going through this whole process?

LeeAnn Webster 25:12

Yeah, it's such a great question. The, I'm so I have a ritual that I take with them. So, you know, I lived in California for years, so I'm allowed to be a little woo-y. So, so when I collect them, I sage them, you know, you burn the sage thing. So I sage them. I sit in a, in my living room, I read through all of them, because I want to give each of them attention and time and and energy. And then I sage them. And then I have a special place where I keep them, and that's to kind of honor the person and honor what they've given up, but then also staging myself so that I don't take it on because I look at it, I'm kind of like a facilitator, right? Like I let somebody realize something, help them transmute it, and then it doesn't stay with them or with me because of a process that I have for it.

Joel Goldberg 26:02

For me, it's a little woo-y, but I get it too. Like I, you know, it doesn't feel right just to take it, write it down and throw it out. I mean, like someone, even if it took one minute, like someone opened their heart.

LeeAnn Webster 26:18

Yeah.

Joel Goldberg 26:19

And isn't that amazing to you that so many people are willing to do that? And, and I think really, well, kind of gives me a little bit of hope too.

LeeAnn Webster 26:29

The first time I did this, I thought, well, you know, they've known me for whatever the 10 minutes or whatever I've been on stage so far, like I'm going to get the, you know that I ate two chocolate chip cookies, or, you know what I mean, and there's always one or two of those, um, you know, I thought it would just be really light things. And I was floored when I got something like the one that I read a minute ago with the text from the friend and that they didn't answer. And I've had people stop me in the parking lot and say, you know, tell me similar stories. And the fact that I can help someone feel comfortable enough to release something that deep to me, is amazing and beautiful, and I really want to honor that.

Joel Goldberg 27:10

And it shows up in keynotes and breakout sessions and workshops and and and really all is such a gift, I think, to people to find out more about themselves, to dig deeper here, to to as you say, no regrets, no limits, how to achieve the big goals that that really matter. From a business standpoint, for you like I'm lucky. I feel like this. Between this podcast and baseball and all the people I meet, there's content every day more than I know what to do with. And you know, a lot of times, the problem for a lot of people that are speakers or doing whatever these creative things are, is that it's hard to come up with content. Well, for me, with amazing guests like you, I always I get to connect with all these people that have all these interesting stories and motivation. You're doing that every time you get a card back too. Tell me just about because, and I know you've done a lot of this already. I'm not trying to give away secrets, but for the entrepreneurs out there, like, what I've been telling people is I've been on my journey of speaking. You know, eight years ago I was, I was about to say, just a TV broadcaster. It was plenty enough. It was great. It still is. And then I found the speaking thing through a suggestion, and that was going to lead me to books. But I was told to do a podcast, which then led to books and newsletters and blogging, and we're just getting started, which, you know, with with some bigger projects and some things that I want to work on in the next couple of years. What? What have just these cards and these stories done for you in terms of possibilities and spin offs?

LeeAnn Webster 28:53

Yeah, well, the so part of it is it's helped me get really clear about what my how I can support people, and the journey that I can take them on, and part of it is a book. So we'll come back to the book in a minute.

Joel Goldberg 29:04

Yes.

LeeAnn Webster 29:05

And the, you know, one of my clients saw me speak, and we went through this exercise, and she realized, just by doing this exercise, that she had been carrying this regret about her nephew they had gotten in this bad argument. He's an adult, and within a year, or within a week of them getting this bad argument, he was killed in a just a freak accident, and she had this regret that the last conversation they had was an argument. And, you know, then he died, not knowing how she felt about him and all that and so and she didn't. Wasn't this wasn't conscious for her, right? She wasn't like thinking about it every day. She'd think about him, but she didn't realize the weight of it. Well, on the way home from seeing me speak, she called her sister, his mother. They had a conversation. The sister forgave her, and they talked about something they hadn't talked about in years, and it started their relationship on a whole different trajectory. Right? And so that, to me, is the power of what I'm doing. And then the next layer of it is she was stepping into being the first female president of her bank. And so relieving that kind of pressure valve, kind of taking that monkey off her back, if you will, gave her more energy to step more powerfully into this new role because she didn't have that kind of guilt holding her back. You know, it's like a weight, a lot of time. And so that is like, okay, that this is, this is what I do, right? This is how I how do you take the past and help it fuel your future? How do you not get stuck in the past, but find the power in it and then say, Okay, this is going to help propel me, if I use it as fuel, instead of using it as like an anchor.

Joel Goldberg 30:42

I've got to think that that moment among many was just validation, confirmation for you to say, Oh, this is, this is why I do what I do.

LeeAnn Webster 30:51

100%. Because you know how it is. Like you you speak sometimes, and like, you know, you'll get the little surveys, and people are like, it's great, you know. Or somebody will come up to you afterwards and it's like, Okay, that's great. And did I make any lasting impact?

Joel Goldberg 31:03

Yeah.

LeeAnn Webster 31:03

That, to me, is like, holy cannoli, like. That, that changed their life.

Joel Goldberg 31:08

Yeah, totally it. I was gonna say, well, we don't have to have those, but actually, I think we do. I mean, we'll be fine without them, but when you get them, the amount of energy that gives that's the stuff that gets you through the tough times, right? And because you're going to have your down times. I had somebody the other day say, life is good until it's not, and then until it is again. I mean, you don't, you don't know, yeah, you know the regrets you're talking about. You don't know what's going to happen today. I had somebody at a speech I was doing last week, and I had talked during the speech about finding meaning in your work. And he came up to me and he goes, so, how do you find your purpose? And I love it. Like, you know, people come up with signing a book afterwards you're doing meet and greet, and it's usually like, Hey, I love that. Just what you said, I love this or Hey, but, but it was like, I love that, you know, how, how do you find your purpose? And I thought, like, that's such a good, deep question. And yeah, and I said, You know that? I don't know that there's a formula to it, but I think you got to be paying attention. If you pay attention to your interactions, if you pay attention to what you're doing and who it affects, and you're curious and you're listening, you'll get that feedback. But you have to be you have to have your eyes and ears open for it, and if you're paying attention to it, which is, you know, you've been intentional about that. That card forces you to pay attention to it, not that you weren't, but it gives you that evidence. But it's not going to be that easy for everyone else. You've got to poke around. You got to be a little bit curious, and you've got to pay attention instead of going through the motions. And unless you're working for yourself and nobody else, and nothing that you do helps anyone else? Okay, I don't know if I can help you there, but for the most part, you are, even if it's work you don't like, right? I always start with this. Let's begin with the fact that you're, you're getting a paycheck, whether it's the fair amount or not the fair amount you're doing it, first and foremost, to take care of yourself, your family. Okay, if that's all it is, then that's some motivation. But now, if you could find something else, it may not be your dream job either. It doesn't have to be, but look for those little wins, and they generally tend to start to paint the picture. That's my take on it, at least.

LeeAnn Webster 33:13

Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. I think it's the key to that is like just paying again, going internal, and paying really close attention to what you do and don't like, and also keeping in mind doesn't have to be some big thing, right? Like I always tell people, I'm, you know, you don't, you know, I, I've got all these Iron Man and Kilimanjaro and all this. And your your big thing could be being the best father, mother, whatever that you can be, it could be raising the most, the best child you can raise. It could be being the best leader of your team or being the best team member. Like, that's cool, too. It's being intentional about it.

Joel Goldberg 33:51

Yeah. Okah, before I get to the baseball theme questions one, let's talk about possible book title. You said you got a little working on a little something there.

LeeAnn Webster 34:01

Oh, yeah, I got, I've got the book title. It's, um, so what I'm doing is collecting. I've collected a lot of these. I'm gonna have about 80 of them selected, and it's called, That's Regrettable: Releasing The Past to Fuel Your Future.

Joel Goldberg 34:15

Oh, I love it. I love it.

LeeAnn Webster 34:17

Thank you. So I'll have these handwritten postcards and the what I've been collecting from people, as well as some tips about how do you apply it, and what do you you know? What do you do with it now that this has been uncovered?

Joel Goldberg 34:28

So good, so good. And the thing I love about your website, it's it's so easy to you've made it easy for people to to connect to. You know, some of this stuff gets to be to be too over complicated.

LeeAnn Webster 34:49

Yeah.

Joel Goldberg 34:51

So that's a good way for me to say, you told me you've got a an offer. I don't know what what it is. I have an idea, but I know it'll be good. So tell me about that, because I think that for anyone listening, if you go to, if you go to LeeAnn's website, I think that's where we'll do it, right?

LeeAnn Webster 35:08

Do it there. Actually, I have a special URL just for this piece.

Joel Goldberg 35:13

Yeah, we'll put it in the, we'll put it in the show notes.

LeeAnn Webster 35:15

Yeah, it's regretreleasemethod.com. And so what that will walk you through is just the process that I do. It's a very simple, like, five step process for identifying regret. Releasing it. And then how do you use that to take action afterwards?

Joel Goldberg 35:32

Okay, regretreleasemethod.com.

LeeAnn Webster 35:37

Yep.

Joel Goldberg 35:38

Okay, I am going to make sure that's in the show notes. And easy too. I mean, I just as simple. I think it's as simple as, you know, what you do with the cards and everything too. I mean, it's, and I think that's the key to some of this too, is because they're, you know, for anyone that's that's running a business like this, that's, you know, everybody tells you to grow your database, to grow your database. Well, that becomes easier said. That is easier said than done. It becomes easier when I think you make it easy on people.

LeeAnn Webster 36:11

Make it easy on people, and also tune into doing things that you feel inspired by and that feel fun for you to execute. Like,

Joel Goldberg 36:19

Not just doing it.

LeeAnn Webster 36:20

Yeah, like that table that I did. I did it. I live close enough to be, sorry, I know it's not your team, but near Wrigley Field in Chicago. And so I took my table out there because it was like, well, this will be interesting. I was as much interested not just in what people would write, but how they'd even interact with the table. And that was fascinating. You know, some people, some people came right over, as if they've been waiting all day to get this off their chest. Some people went so far away from the table, you would have thought that there was poison on it. And, you know, some people brought their friends, and people didn't. So to me, that was just a fun, interesting way to even get this energy out there, and so that makes it all the more enjoyable. And doing everything in my business right? And that's what I think, find those things that are interesting and fun for you to execute. So you're not just doing it because somebody said you should be doing it.

Joel Goldberg 37:18

Great place to set up, by the way. Wrigley Field, I mean, come on. And I just, I think it's cool too. It reminds me of some of these. Like, I don't know when people can do something sort of, sort of anonymous, I guess. I mean, it's not totally but even, like, you look at so much of the TikToks and the videos that are out there now. It's like people will kind of gravitate towards the table or the camera, maybe out of curiosity, to start, I'm not really sure.

LeeAnn Webster 37:43

Yeah.

Joel Goldberg 37:44

As long as it's not something that and I maybe what it is too, is like, there's, there's a curiosity, and there's a wait, are they not trying to sell me a phone, right? You know, like, can I, can I walk into Costco and not have every service sold to me? So, like, you know, we're programmed now for that. So it's like, oh, wait a minute, I could do this. And, okay, this is easy. I don't know. I've got to think there's a lot of curiosity to it.

LeeAnn Webster 38:07

I think there's that, and that's and I'm starting now to interview people after they release the regret. And not everyone wants to be on camera, and that's cool, but to ask them, like, Why did you stop and and, you know, talk about it a little bit.

Joel Goldberg 38:19

Very interesting.

LeeAnn Webster 38:20

Yeah.

Joel Goldberg 38:21

All right, let's get to the baseball themed questions. Are you a Reds fan then? Or are you a Cubs fan?

LeeAnn Webster 38:26

Oh, you know what, I grew up a Reds fan and a Tigers fan, and I actually went to the original stadium that they had, like, you know. What? 40 years ago? Before they, like, built the current one. So, yeah.

Joel Goldberg 38:41

I was just curious.

LeeAnn Webster 38:42

Cubs now, though. Sorry.

Joel Goldberg 38:44

Well, you're right down the street. So why? Why not? That's fun thing. Okay, what's the biggest home run that you've hit professionally in your career?

LeeAnn Webster 38:50

Gotta be the speed dating. I was the first person to host a speed dating event outside of the Jewish community, and I ended up creating the largest speed dating company in Southern California, and we were on national television. We were in the LA Times. We were like, it was the right idea at the right time, which was amazing.

Joel Goldberg 39:11

I guess speed dating still exists?

LeeAnn Webster 39:12

It does. Oh, yeah.

Joel Goldberg 39:14

I've just not been single for over 25 years, so I never knew what that was. You know, like, I, I, was last single before the internet. Well, internet was just starting, but you get the point. Okay, yeah, that's super cool. What is the biggest swing and miss you've taken, and what did you learn from it? I've got to think, with your fearlessness, there are a lot of swings and misses.

LeeAnn Webster 39:38

Yeah, yeah. The biggest one is the first time I attempted to do the full Ironman. So for those who aren't familiar, Ironman triathlon is long form, so 2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike and 26.2 mile run, full marathon, all in one day. And the first time I attempted, I did the whole swim, I did the whole bike, but I didn't make the bike cut off so they wouldn't let me run. And it was like, you know, you train for a year for that thing. And so to have that be just pulled out, I didn't have a file for that. And so to have that happen was crushing at the time. Spoiler, I did go back and get my medal, but that's a story for a different day. But the the biggest lesson I learned from it was, you know, I'm sure you you see this in the space that you're in too that oftentimes we're taught, you know, don't focus on the negative. Focus only on the positive. And we don't want to have negative feeling. Um, and while I agree that you want to be intentional, because what you focus on does grow. What I don't, what I learned in my life is you don't want to subvert actually something that appears to be negative. And so for that Iron Man, the first time they they were like, You need to know the cut offs. And I'm like, I don't need to know the cut offs. I'm not going to have to worry about the cut off that's not going to be my thing. And I wouldn't let myself have a plan for what if things didn't go right, and then when things started not going right, I was like off the rails, because I didn't know what to do, and I didn't know where the cutoff was, and I didn't know how to handle it, and I just I hadn't planned for it. And so what I learned for the second time that got me across the finish line was, how do I just say, Okay, I don't think it's going to happen, but what if I can't eat, I get a flat tire? This that the other and having the plan in my head took a lot of stress away, because then it wasn't like, oh my god, this happened. What do I do? It was, oh, this happened. I know what to do.

Joel Goldberg 41:33

Yeah. Well, there, there's something about if you experience it, that's why I say repetition is so important. Now, you can only do so many of those competitions, right? You can't do them every day and over and over again, but, but once you do it, you get a little something. And so like, when people say to me and maybe to you, like, Do you get nervous when you speak and and I'm going to guess that if you do it's some of those butterflies beforehand, then you get going, because you know what it looks like. And everybody's a little different with that. I'm not a butterfly guy for the most part. They'll come every now and then I'll be like, I'm be like, I wonder why that's there, but, but I know that it's not a bad thing. And you know, some people need to pace up and down and rehearse, and some people that makes them that would make me nervous. But I think once you do it, you figure out what works for you and what doesn't work for you, and then you keep that, hopefully store that in the Rolodex, and it works.

LeeAnn Webster 42:21

Well that and, you can also understand what's under it, right? So instead of being like, Oh, I'm so nervous about getting up on stage, it's like, whoo. I'm feeling kind of excited. Why am I so excited? Oh, my God, I'm gonna deliver my message to, you know, 400 people, 1,000 people, or whatever. That's kind of cool.

Joel Goldberg 42:37

How cool is that?

LeeAnn Webster 42:38

Yeah.

Joel Goldberg 42:40

Last one for baseball theme questions. Small ball. What are the little things that add up to big results for you?

LeeAnn Webster 42:46

The, I really believe little, seemingly innocuous things, like releasing a regret can have a huge impact. Um, because there, there are little things that you don't realize that might be kind of taking your energy and, like I said, being that kind of anchor that holds you down. And so if you can find a way to get the little things off your back, it frees up exponentially more energy than it was holding.

Joel Goldberg 43:11

Yeah, I love that. All right. Time for four final questions as we round the bases. So now I've got a pick from my list of more than four things, but we already crossed off some of them, or you referenced the speed dating. So let's start with two pet skunks. One as a kid and one as a law student. You're the first person I've met.

LeeAnn Webster 43:35

Yeah. I love it.

Joel Goldberg 43:39

All right. Where did this come from?

LeeAnn Webster 43:40

From my dad being an oddball, basically. I'm allergic to cats, and he didn't want a dog, and somehow, in Portsmouth, Ohio, he decided, sure, skunk, that's the next logical thing. They, they sold him in the pet store. They you get them when they're like, six weeks old. They're just little, tiny things. They're descented. And they train to a litter box. I think that's part of what was attractive to him? Was you can kind of train it so you don't have to, like, be taking it out all the time.

Joel Goldberg 44:11

And what, how, how was that relationship with you and the skunks?

LeeAnn Webster 44:17

I still think about my little guy like, like, like, You're, like, like, any other pet, right? Any other pet, yeah, yeah. They're, they're kind of, I think, a nice mix, because they're a little independent, um, but they're also very cuddly, and so, um, yeah, they're cool little guys.

Joel Goldberg 44:35

What were their names, by the way?

LeeAnn Webster 44:37

Um, Jasper was the one that I had when I was young, and then Stinky was the one.

Joel Goldberg 44:41

Stinky.

LeeAnn Webster 44:44

I'm laughing because my brother was like, Oh, that took all the creativity of a three-year-old.

Joel Goldberg 44:47

Yeah,

LeeAnn Webster 44:48

I don't know.

Joel Goldberg 44:51

Okay, second question, as we round the bases. A one woman play, tell me about that.

LeeAnn Webster 44:57

Um, yeah, I'll show you the Playbill. Um.

Joel Goldberg 45:00

It's so cool.

LeeAnn Webster 45:01

It's called Fancy Meeting Me Here. Um, it's, you know, the idea behind it. It was the seed of the idea came when somebody said, one of my coaches said, What are you doing for fun? You know, you do all these things for your business. What are you doing for fun? And that started me on the inquiry of, well, if I, you know, what do I love to do? I'd love to do a million things up. I'm already a speaker, but then I remembered I did this comedic storytelling slot in a friend's variety show on a whim. So not stand up, but comedic storytelling. And I'm like, that was so much fun. How do I do more of that? And then I started doing The Moth and things. And then people my whole life have said, You're so inspiring. You have all these stories. You should write a book. And it was like, Yeah, okay, write a book. But then I thought, well, what if I did a one woman show that would be way more fun, way more interesting and a unique and other way to do it. I've got no theater background, Joel, this was like, a Sure, why not? And two years later, there you go. I got a show.

Joel Goldberg 46:01

So cool. Do you get nervous for that?

LeeAnn Webster 46:05

I do, but I channel the energy. But you know, this is different from a keynote. With the keynote, like I have a PowerPoint, and with the keynote, I can be, I probably say the same thing, 90, 90% of the time. 90-95% of the time.

Joel Goldberg 46:20

Yeah.

LeeAnn Webster 46:21

But with a show, you've got to be like, on your spot saying the same thing for the light to change, like it, it has to be memorized. You can't riff. And so that was a little interesting. But what I learned from it was, you know, I used to be very like, I don't want to memorize things, because I want to be natural on stage and all of that. But what I learned is there's a bell curve, and the bell curve is like, um, sounds rehearsed, trying, trying, trying, trying, and then you get to the other side where it's in you. And if you think about like, your favorite song, you know you don't you sing your favorite song, you don't have to think like, what's the next line? If you can get to that point, then it's magical.

Joel Goldberg 47:02

Yeah, and it's um, I guess the sweet spot is having everything down pat, but still just sounding completely authentic, conversational, right? I mean, that's, I always try to lean towards that side, but then I might forget something, or I might. And, of course, and in the one woman play, you can't.

LeeAnn Webster 47:25

Yeah, well, it's the, it's how can I have it so in me, that I can just be super present, because I'm telling, I tell the story about my brother in depth, you know. And I talk about what that was like in our family. And I kind of am acting out different vignettes from my life. And it's like, if my brain isn't worried about what to say, then I can be in that moment as I'm delivering it that really connects me to it.

Joel Goldberg 47:50

Yep, I totally get that. Okay. Third question as we round the base is Remote Control in college. I mean, anyone that's our age remembers all those great MTV shows, right? What was that experience like?

LeeAnn Webster 48:04

So much fun. I went, mine premiered in, I think it was Jan. It was 1988 I want to say 88 and, you know, we had, and we lived in the dorm, and we would watch Remote Control and then Top 10 video countdown, and on Saturday night Hair Bangers Ball, once we got back on the bars. And then

Joel Goldberg 48:25

Oh you mean there are bars at Ohio University? I've been there, I know.

LeeAnn Webster 48:29

Yeah, a couple.

Joel Goldberg 48:31

Couple.

LeeAnn Webster 48:31

Just a couple. And so they announced that they were doing a contestant search in Columbus. And so my friend and I drove up and tried out. We were first in line, like and, you know, we did the whole thing, but she didn't get on, and I did, and then we had to drive back to Athens, and it was like, the oh my God, oh my God, I'm going to be on Remote Control. I can't believe I'm gonna be on Remote Control. This is so amazing. And then I'd look at her and I'm like, I'm really sorry they suck. I can't believe they didn't pick you. That was terrible.

Joel Goldberg 49:03

Those are the good old days only because I don't really know what the shows are anymore, but we, you know, we all watched that stuff back then.

LeeAnn Webster 49:07

Yeah, it was my first time going to New York too, when they flew me out. And then and I got to be on it. I met, I actually posted a photo of me with Colin Quinn, because he was the co-host. Um, so many years ago. So it was, it was a blast. I did not win. Spoiler. It came in second.

Joel Goldberg 49:24

It's okay.

LeeAnn Webster 49:25

Whatever.

Joel Goldberg 49:25

It's alright. You're still, we're forever. We'll forever have been on the show.

LeeAnn Webster 49:29

That's right.

Joel Goldberg 49:29

All right. Final question to walk off. I'll go a little bit heavy here, but hopefully with a learning lesson, I'll ask you, what you ask everybody else? What? What? What is your regret?

LeeAnn Webster 49:38

Ah, um, one of, one of, one of my regrets that I didn't even realize I had until I started doing this work, was, you know, talked about my brother Daniel, who who died that day. He was with my oldest brother, Jim. And, you know, the two of them were off riding their bikes together, and Jim got out of the way. Didn't get hit. Daniel did get hit. Jim. Jim passed away years ago, and we never, ever, ever, ever had a conversation about that day. Never. And his life, you know, was a little tragic in some ways, and I can't help but think that he felt responsible for it, because he's the one who said, Let's go to my friend's house in the first place, and Daniel died in his arms. And I just now, I just can't believe that we never, ever spoke about it. And what a weight he must have been carrying to never have have talked about it to anyone in the family. And I really wish that I would have had that conversation with him.

Joel Goldberg 50:34

So does that how does that change you today? I would imagine it just it makes you maybe, if you're hesitant to have any type of meaningful conversation with someone, just just don't, just do it.

LeeAnn Webster 50:46

Just do it. Just do it. And actually, I've had a conversation with my other brother, Steve, about it. You know, we didn't talk about it for most of my life, but I, I now talk with him about it. You know, we call each other now on his birthday or on, you know the anniversary of the day that happened. And we've never talked about it for forever, for 40 some years.

Joel Goldberg 51:06

So you, you, you unleashed something there. You released something there.

LeeAnn Webster 51:09

Yeah, yeah.

Joel Goldberg 51:11

It's powerful. That, that's what you get with with LeeAnn, and with all of her programs and the speaking and and the book coming, and she's probably about to start composing a symphony as well, or something. I don't know. You'll, you'll, you'll be, I'm not ruling anything out. I just, I just know that you'll, you'll, you will be finding more challenges, because that's who you are in the best of ways. I want to encourage everybody again to go to the website leeannmariemariewebster, L, E, E, A n, n, m, A, R, I, E. leannemariewebster.com. We'll have it in the show notes. This is so great. I'm so excited to share your story with everybody. There's so much inspiration. You're doing so much good out there. And it's, it's, it's inspiring to me to be able to watch and to be able to learn from you as well. So thank you so much for spending time today on the podcast.

LeeAnn Webster 52:03

My pleasure. It's been an absolute ball. Thank you.